Joshu addressed an assembly of monks:
"The Real Way is not difficult;, but it dislikes the Relative. If there is but little speech, it is about the Relative or it is about the Absolute. This old monk is not within the Absolute. Do you value this or not?"
A monk said to him,
"If you are not within the Absolute, how can you judge its value?"
"Neither do I know that."
The monk argued,
"Your Reverence, if you do not yet know, how is it that you say you are not within the Absolute?"
"Your questioning is effective. Finish your worship and leave."